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Farage: Is the euro crisis affecting your credibility, Mr Juncker?

Nigel Farage:

Mr Juncker, as President of the Eurogroup, your detachment from reality is almost unbelievable. You're behaving like a political ostrich, pretending none of it is happening.

You've just told us just a few moments ago that Greece fundamentally has no problems because she's a member of the eurozone. It's just deluded.

And you wrote recently, that the euro's thirteen-year history is a success story. Well, it's a very odd kind of success, isn't it? And actually, saying that beggars belief and I think hardly makes you credible.

I think it's about time that you and others in this room woke up to the fact that we are inflicting misery on millions of people; through unemployment, through poverty, through a lack of democracy, and that it's an error to try and keeping countries trapped inside the euro prison.

The recent proposal is that Greece should write down her debt by 50% and remain a member of the eurozone. Surely, Mr Juncker if that happenes the same would happen to Portugal and Ireland too.

Do you think it's possible for any member state of the euro to write down their debts and stay a member of the euro?


Jean Claude Juncker:

Mr President, I didn't say that Greece has no problems, I didn't say that. I did say that although Greece is a member of the euro area, Greece is in deep problems. So don't take it the way round that you can put the question you any way had the intention to put.

Second point. I don't think that it would be wise and useful for the present euro area to take part in all kind of speculation of the nature of those you were mentioning in your question.

The second question was linked to my credibility, as far as I understood. I prefer mine to yours.


Nigel Farage:

Very good, Mr Juncker. Interesting. Well, on this very point of credibility you yourself said back in April that when things become serious you have to lie. That is what you said back in April. And it seems to me that things are pretty serious and that frankly everything you say is a lie. The euro cannot and should not be held together under its current construction and it's about time you admit it, you and all of you in this room: you've got this wrong and countries like Greece need to be set free.


Juncker (through interpreter):

President, you've just quoted a newspaper, which wasn't even British - it's a German newspaper - saying that when things get tough we have to lie.

Perhaps I should actually quote what I said in the language of the newspaper which you've referred to.

The quotation was correct to some extent, but taken out of context.

In Brussels I was speaking to the pan-European Movement - these are people who believe in Europe - we have to speak to them sometimes as well.

In previous years, back in the days when I was a finance minitser, every few months there was talk about valueing or devalueing currencies in the European currency system.

So back then we often used to meet on Sundays for example or just about before the markets closed and at such times it was so difficult for us to tell the truth. However the mistake I made was that by trying to be honest I actually used a form of words which paved the way to your supplimentary question.

 

 

New Democratic Revolution Rising Against Euro-(Supra)Nationalism - Farage

Mr Barroso,

You told us this morning that the European Union is an inspiration. And whilst you admitted to there being one or two little economic problems, you made it perfectly clear that jobs and growth were to follow, that everything is going well - in fact you painted a vision that a new period of European renewal is upon us.

Now as a former communist yourself you probably remember the old soviet leaders getting up to give their speeches and telling everybody that there was a record harvest, or that tractor production figures were terribly good.

And they of course believed that history was on their side and in fact President Krushchev got up and said to the West 'We will bury you," so much did he believe in his own Union.

Well now of course we look back at that and we laugh. And I think in our tomorrows, people will look back at you, and they will say 'how did this unelected man get all of this power?'

And how did Europe's political class sitting in this room decide that the community method [federal] should replace national democracy.

I think people will look back in astonishment that we've surrendered democracy.

But what you want to do is to say, right, we have a European Union and what we're going to have to do now is to have more of it. So as an architect - and you're one of the key architects of the current failure - what we're going to do, even though everything to date has been wrong - we're going to do more of the same.

Now I thought that was a definition of madness. I can't believe that is a rational response to any situation in which you find yourself. And far from it being a 'State of the Union' I would argue that the Union is in a state.

Because, just look at the confusion. We've got you as the President of the Commission. We've got a President of the European Parliament. We've got my old friend Herman Van Rompuy, who is the permanent president of the European Council. We've got the Poles - they're now presidents temporarily [Poland holds six-month EU Council presidency] of the European Council.

We've got presidents all round this room, goodness me, even I am a president. I'm not sure what the collective noun for presidents is, perhaps it's 'incompetence', I don't know. But certainly when you take away democratic accountability, it's clear nobody is in charge.

And it's developing as a Union of intolerance. Anybody that stands up here and dares to give a political view that is different to the received wisdom is written off as mad, insane, violent, fascist - we've heard it for years from these people.

And the intolerance is so deep that when we get referendums in France, the Netherlands and Ireland that reject your view, you see it - as a political class - as a problem to be overcome.

So I'm very worried about the whole root of this Union. There is a new [euro-] nationalism that is sweeping Europe. You want to abolish the nation states - in your case, Mr Schulz, becuase you're ashamed of your past - and you now want this flag and a new anthem to replace nation states and you don't care how you get there. If you have to crush national democracy. If you have to oppose popular referendums - you just sweep this aside and say that it's 'populism'. Well, it's not, it's democracy.

And what is sweeping northern Europe now, starting off in April with that amazing result in the Finnish general election, is there is a new democratic revolution sweeping northern Europe. It's not anti-European. It wants a Europe of trade; it wants a Europe of cooperation; it wants a Europe where we can do student exchanges, where we can work in eachother's capital cities - it wants those things.

But it does not want this European Union.

Frankly, you are all now yesterday's men.

(There followed a 'Blue Card' question by Andrew Duff MEP, Lib Dems - ALDE Group)

 

 

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